Josina Burgess: but we will not cick her out of Carp
Medora Chevalier: Hi Josi – we lost one of our sims because of SaveMe Oh’s work at Carp. I dont like it or think it fits but I would defend your right to present it
Josina Burgess: you lost a sim?
Medora Chevalier: the big future of weather one, it was given by UTSA. But saveme oh went with a model of two people fucking her yesteray to their opening
Josina Burgess: yes i know
Medora Chevalier: its PG – parental guidance – for students
Medora Chevalier: then they realised she was still part of the festival
Josina Burgess: i read the whole conversation
Medora Chevalier: they’ve been IMing me all day but I was performing and organising
Josina Burgess: she changed her outfit didnt she?
Medora Chevalier: most people from core team have gone but for me – I cant stand her work – its not imagining a beuatiful future. But I would never back censorship becasue some institution was offended
Josina Burgess: at the show tomorrow she did a great job
Medora Chevalier: so they’ve gone
Medora Chevalier: well all those dead UN people with sticks thro their penises
Josina Burgess: i cannot speak for her , because I was not there
Medora Chevalier: not like “imagine there’s no countries”
Medora Chevalier: no in the show
Josina Burgess: artists are always seeking for something to get attention from the crowed. They do it one way or another, goal is to get peoples attention on a subject they are bussy with, sometinmes a political mesage or a message of their own
Josina Burgess: she showed us the way she apeared
Medora Chevalier: its all attention with her
Josina Burgess: then my question was; What when you should have shown up with a guy stabbing you with a knife and blood all over
Medora Chevalier: still a principle only matters if you hold it for the most unattractive of the people you defend lol
Josina Burgess: it seems that as soon there is a hint that smells like sex the puritans are faling over each other to shout; Shame , Shame
Medora Chevalier: well the sim thing ws silly – she knew she’d be banned – sh hadnt had a headline for ages
Medora Chevalier: then she attacked the festival for it
Josina Burgess: when they appear like devils, or skeletons covered in blood nobody yells
Medora Chevalier: but the work is out of the dark bitter side we’ve been trying to get people to move out of
Medora Chevalier: but it was not us curating
Josina Burgess: well i was not there and dont know what her intentions are. I just can speak for myself.
Josina Burgess: I am very sorry that this is happened
Josina Burgess: but we will not cick her out of Carp
Medora Chevalier: well – sometimes there are differences
Josina Burgess: yes there are
Medora Chevalier: of course not – unless she misbehaves there
Josina Burgess: here she is peace itsself
Medora Chevalier: especially between US and Europe fundamental principles
Josina Burgess: europeans for all the dutch (i think) are more crazy then the rest of europe:)
Josina Burgess: well she got what every artist wants:) she is the Talk of the Town lol
Medora Chevalier: well – that’s easy – we could all do what she did
Josina Burgess: we are not her
Medora Chevalier: if headlines were what we wanted without regard to any consequences
Josina Burgess: did you personally talk with her/
Medora Chevalier: no, I’ve been busy with the festival and then had this intensely pushy discussion trying to get me to cut her out of the festival
Josina Burgess: pushed from others?
Medora Chevalier: oh yes all day!
Josina Burgess: öthers”have no say
Medora Chevalier: well only against me they pulled out because I wouldnt push you lol
Josina Burgess: they must know that save me is an artist that works on her own and when she misbehaves”in other peoples eyes and is not sticking to the “rules”they have set up, and they Own the sim, they are very well intitled to cick her out or ban her
Josina Burgess: She accepted that.
Medora Chevalier: they didnt want to be asociated with anything with her in it ie Imagine fest
Josina Burgess: For me I have no troubles whatsoever with her, she collaborates greatly, makes interesting projects, has something to say
Josina Burgess: and when that is nor suiting some people they can, shout and push whatever and how much they want to me, I will not ban or cick her out
Medora Chevalier: no -of course not. I just dont like negative work except when it really tells things well, but thats my taste
Josina Burgess: ithe ways of an artist are not always easy to understand like not every book is easy to read. Still true artists are clearing the road for the ones coming later, this always was and will be in history. And yes they shock sometimes and cick a lot of asses, thats why they are artists. they follow no “rules”they have no message on what people think or find, they go their own way.
Josina Burgess: what would happen with the world when there would be only artists that nicely do what the crowd thinks?
Medora Chevalier: yes – I just believe more people are won round by vision that shocked into thinking diffrently
Medora Chevalier: but shock is needed sometimes
Josina Burgess: very much so
Josina Burgess: it was was i did when i was a protest singer
Josina Burgess: my records were banned from the radio
Josina Burgess: because I used the word ‘Rape”
Medora Chevalier: aw Josi – you must have been singing out of tune !
Medora Chevalier: LOL
Josina Burgess: lol
Josina Burgess: so when soemthing like this happens i am right on the barricades to defend atrists, even when I myself would not apreciate the work. I would never listenm to what “people”say
Medora Chevalier: yep – well it seems that’s where I am too after running the national campaign for the arts I could never let art be kicked out for controversy
Josina Burgess: yes, so its a storm in a glass of water. as usual. After tomorrow they find something else to be shocked about and make a fuzz over that:)
Medora Chevalier: despite my personal taste sorry to have lost the 10 artists tho
Medora Chevalier: wonder if they agree?
Josina Burgess: in the meantime they probably squeeze the cat in the dark:0
Medora Chevalier: dont know that one 🙂
Josina Burgess: its a dutch say: means, they do things save me showedm but do that in the dark and hidden
Josina Burgess: when its about murder, weapons or such things its all allright
Medora Chevalier: yes I hate that
Josina Burgess: when there is a taste of s.e. x they fall over each others feet to point fingers ans scream eeek
Josina Burgess: is that hypocrit or what?
Medora Chevalier: well- I recognise hte tendency
Medora Chevalier: but I think it was that the “work” was exhinited in a PG area. In this case it was the depiction of violence they were offended by
Josina Burgess: yes , I had to ask what PG was, I did not know that, and save me agreed she made a mistake here
Josina Burgess: she was tp’d over there and just was bussy making those guys and just finished, she went like she was
Josina Burgess: and then found out it was this opening
Josina Burgess: she did send me the whole converstion that took place and she started to change her outfit when they asked
Medora Chevalier: I saw her but didnt see what it was wrapped round her lol
Josina Burgess: but the rezzijng was slow and took some time
Medora Chevalier: I need my eyes tyesting – too many hours in sl
Josina Burgess: then they banned her
Medora Chevalier: I saw on her website
Josina Burgess: then she came back, (and that is save me) as a nun, with 5 monks, then they banned her again
Medora Chevalier: what was wrong with the monks?
Josina Burgess: i think the nun with munks thing was in fact very funny
Josina Burgess: well maybe also that was shocking lol
Josina Burgess: she kicked religion now
Medora Chevalier: well so did john lennon – imagine there’s no haven
Josina Burgess: many dont listen to the words well
Josina Burgess: they make their own stories
Josina Burgess: dont be bothered by it medora. like i said, next week there is something else they are scremaing about
Medora Chevalier: I wonder what people like Artistide, Sabrinaa, UB think
Josina Burgess: but she writes sl history thats for sure