While the corrupt LEA committee seeks the emergency exit by also closing the groupchat so the truth can remain a secret, Jayjay Zifanwe, JMB Balogh, LaPiscean Liberty and PatriciaAnne Daviau could consider to change into moles, the new secret LL army. As they are already experts in the field of corruption, working in the dark, dealing in secret and abuse their own created rules they would do perfect in the Linden Department of Public Works, the LDPW. The place to be for the ones really want to Licking Every A$$
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The LDPW will organise teams of resident builders, artists and scripters to create new content for use by Linden Lab, and for the SL community. Resident builders (“moles”) will be provided with specific build projects and will oversee progress before taking ownership of the content once work is completed.
Vrelder: We cry from morning to late night over LEA:((
PatriciaAnne Daviau: ahhhh
it will be ok… there are a ton of other places out there
Daark Gothly: So no
more art instillations?
PatriciaAnne Daviau: Not
through the LEA as it is now. I think LEA needs to be reorg’d and a
fresh new program emerge.
Josef K : It shouldn’t be
that hard to keep LEA running as the current LEA Committee has no
jurisdiction to shut LEA down.
According to the LEA
Bylaws there must be at least 7 members in the LEA Committee:
– 4.1.1 There will be a
maximum of eleven (11) and a minimum of seven (7) Committee Members
once the number goes below seven (7) elections will take place.
However, for more than 2
year by now there has been less than the required 7 members in the
LEA Committee. In spite of that the LEA Committee keeps making
decisions that effects the art scene and the art community in Second
And there is also a
problem with several members of the LEA Committee.
According to the LEA
Bylaws the term for a Committee member is 2 years. And a Committe
member may serve up to 2 terms:
– 5.1.5 Term for Committee
Members shall be 2 years (commencing with the ratification of these
– 5.1.6 Committee Members
may serve up to 2 terms.
However, 3 members of the
LEA Committee have by far exceeded that condition. One
Committee member has had a
seat for more than 8 continuously years by now.
Hence, every decision the
LEA Committee has made for the last many years have been a violation
of the LEA Bylaws as the committee itself is illegal according to
their own Bylaws.
The current LEA Committee
just have to step down and let a new committee take over in order to
keep LEA alive.
oh good grief Josef… give it a rest… those bylaws were changed
Josef K: PatriciaAnne …
you and the rest of the LEA Committee fucked LEA up, and now you are
trying to save your butts by closing LEA down, Just leave the
Committee and let a new take over
Vrelder: you have made a
great job Patricia:)))
Vihmakass: i think
Patricia was the only one who actually worked
Josef we never did any such thing… all we tried to do is support
the arts in SL with grants that were given to us by LL
Josef K: How come you
didn’t elect new members when the old members left LEA
PatriciaAnne Daviau: why
didn’t you come to us and offer your services?
Josef K: I did that 4
years ago and got ejected from your Facebook page and my questions to
the committee got neglected
we thought by stepping down a new and improved LEA would rise. With
all the animosity held against the old …a complete revamp was
Tansee: Riannah and I I
have an announcement to make later tonight
PatriciaAnne Daviau: be
part of the solution instead of bitching about the past
Josef K: The current LEA Committee treated LEA as their own property without regards for the art. That’s what killed LEA.
oh that is such total crap Josef
1Earthling Rang: No matter
who is on the committee there will always be those who disagree with
their decisions and even some who will abuse them over those
Josef K : It’s the truth
Patricia. Look how few members you are now. You wouldn’t let new
forces into the committee
1Earthling Rang: we all
see things differently and if you cannot be reasonable in how you say
your views there is no place for you
that’s crap too Josef. we asked several to join but they didn’t want
to give up the right to have grants by joining
Vrelder: it’s what i said,
the LEA was attacked
Josef K: You and the other
committee members killed LEA. And that will forever be your legacy
JMB Balogh: For quite a
while it was obvious to the Committee that the LEA program as such
was slowly dying. Applications for grants were way down and there
were complaints that LEA had become boring and predictable. The
committee had shrunk in numbers and giving up the right to apply for
a grant made becoming a member a non starter for many good people. We
spend months discussing it amongst ourselves and in meetings with LL.
We concluded that it was not fixable within the current framework and
that the only way forward was to step down and let a new group of
people with NEW INNOVATIVE IDEAS take it forward. Basically for LEA
version II to be started from scratch again, just as it was in 2010.
So that’s what we did. We stepped down and left it with LL. I’m sure
that LL would be happy to provide the regions again if some of you
can come up with a solid proposal for promoting the Arts in Second
Life and be willing to run it because it is takes work, a lot of
work, trust me on that. It’s a labour of love because it is not paid
work. In those years since 2010 Art in SL has changed dramatically
and will continue to do so. ” read and digest
PatriciaAnne Daviau: I
don’t buy that for one minute that my legacy is that I ran it into
the ground… so say what you want…I am very proud of the work I
did with and for LEA
Josef K : What work? The
LEA Committee turned LEA into a Freemasonry. Everything happened
behinds closed doors. A little transparency might have done the job –
just like I suggested 4 years ago.
Vrelder: Josef what
do you participate with? Did you then discus this matter in this
Josef K: I have actually
suggested names for a new Committee to Tansee who is trying to save
Vrelder: you mean
SaveMe Oh then?
Josef K: No actually not
Mario2 Helstein: LEA has
been an incredible site, it hurts that it comes to an end, the
committee has always been excellent, it is difficult to be perfect
for critics, but it will be difficult to do something similar again
Static Melody: there must
be some more to this story
Vrelder: yes SaveMe
Oh, I think who have done this for several event’s in LEA and
attacked this LEA Committee member many times at SaveMe Oh sites
Josef K: A very
special LEA Committee member (Solo Mornington didn’t like SaveMe …
so he even used me and my party to get to her. Not very flattering
for someone in the LEA Committee
Vrelder: yes at it
is allowed to destroy for many builders in LEA, just for the art of
bullying? but not at your place? ou support SaveMe Oh s kind of art?
Josef K: He was mad at
SaveMe and used me to get to her, that is an unforgivable action
Vrelder: yes then you
should know how many have been angry and sad at LEA wit SMO showing
Josef K: SaveMe has been
banned from LEA for years
otherwise LEA have been closed many years ago and she need to be
Banned even for the next Linden Endowment: otherwise it will not live
Josef K: But why discuss
SaveMe when it’s LEA and the way the LEA Committee runs it that is
Tansee: we will be
having an all new committee and there are some new people that
already have reached out to me to put their names in
Josef K: I wish I had the
time to help more, Tansee. But I am already since 11 years a board
member in the association for rhythmic music in my hometown. An
association where I have to justify in front of the annual general
meeting why I should be elected for a new term. That’s the kind of
democracy that lacked in the old LEA Committee.
Vrelder: who would
you think wanted be a member of LEA comity when it was under attack
by SaveMe Oh and her followers, maybe his followers then, you Josef?
Josef K): As I said before
… SaveMe is not the topic now and she has been banned for years so
Vrelder: Yes she is
a topic, it’s not you who decide what topic is needed here
Josef K: Well, the thread
started (not by me) about the shut down of LEA … so it kind of is
the topic … not SaveMe
Mandel Solano: they have
already closed 2/3 of LEA
Blackbox Blindside: End of
august its gone
Mandel Solano: no it’s the
idiot SaveMe Oh
Jaicya Albright: this blog
are misleading us this person wrote whatever she wants
Mandel Solano: Do not ever
read something from SaveMe Oh and think all the text is true
Blackbox Blindside: why
the committee decide to drown the place? Seems a lost opportunity not
to ask the members. Although they never asked much of the members.
They didnt ask me if I agree with this shut down
I think this should be a
group decission, not by some committee members. Strange construction
Josef K: The LEA Committee
violated the Bylaws on several occasions. According to the Bylaws
committee members could serve two terms. Most of the committee forgot
to leave after they served the two terms. Several exceeded that by
several years. The Committee members treated LEA as their private
property. I guess that lack of respect for the LEA Bylaws ended LEA.
Blackbox Blindside: Even
ex members are on guard. I spotted Solo Mornington the other day,
what a coincidence. They should have had election every 2 years
Josef K: Yes they should,
but they didn’t
Blackbox Blindside: And now they pull out the plug for everyone using the sandbox
Josef K: All empires run
by dictators are doomed to die … so also LEA
Blackbox Blindside: If it
was not SaveMe Oh they would be in office for eternity. Pity she
didn’t save LEA itself. In LEA 5 there is a new group who wants to
save LEA, maybe join that
Mandel Solano: Many have
used LEA 5 as a common sandbox, put out things not art at all and not
deleted their unpacking things:) We all need to write to LL about
this, but work as a admin on LEA is almost a full time job, I think
there are rules
Dancoyote Antonelli: Rules
about no littering, no adverts, no sales but with no team to enforce
them, the rules are moot
Weren’t you once in the committee? DanCoyote?
Dancoyote Antonelli: Yes I
was one of the original members with Bryn, Werner, Dekka and others.
Blackbox Blindside: So
what would you advise? Were you elected in those days?
Dancoyote Antonelli: I was
appointed by LL
Blackbox Blindside: How
they found you?And on what terms?
Dancoyote Antonelli: I was
a little famous back then
Blackbox Blindside: And
why they kicked you out?
Dancoyote Antonelli: I
retired, it is hard work and I did my time. 4 years is long enough to
work for free.
according to the bylaws you can only stay 2 years
Josef K: 5.1.5 Term for
Committee Members shall be 2 years (commencing with the ratification
of these bylaws).
5.1.6 Committee Members
may serve up to 2 terms.
Dancoyote Antonelli: I
helped make the bylaws
Blackbox Blindside: He
took 4 years to make them
Dancoyote Antonelli: yes!
Blackbox Blindside: Very
Dancoyote Antonelli: We
added them as we discovered a need and THAT was a vote
Blackbox Blindside: And
why it went wrong after?
Dancoyote Antonelli: Non
artists took over
Mandel Solano: I think the
comity is tired of LEA
Blackbox Blindside: Can
you name a few non-artists?
Dancoyote Antonelli: I am
not naming any names, not looking back, look forward: and step up and
help, join the group, and join the conversation
Blackbox Blindside: Not
any artist in the committee now?
Dancoyote Antonelli: The
committee right now has quit
Josef K: LEA was a great
idea once. But in the later years the Committee acted as if there was
no Bylaws. No new members was elected and the remaining members
didn’t leave after they served 2 terms. There was a huge lack of
democracy in LEA.
Dancoyote Antonelli: after
long service with little reward and respect. I don’t blame them. As I
said it is hard work. Pattie, Joanna etc. are good people. Dedicated
and sincere, honest
Mandel Solano: And all the
attacks by SaveMe Oh have been tiresome
Blackbox Blindside: When
you cant do the job you can retire, as you said…
SaveMe Oh does not matter
Blackbox Blindside: She is
banned for years, that cannot be the problem
Mandel Solano: And now
people who have not built things themselves put out SaveMe Oh things
Blackbox Blindside: You
can even kiss SaveMe Oh, Mandel, there is a kissing booth
Mandel Solano: Are you one
of his many alts?
Blackbox Blindside: I
thought you were her alt
Dusty Canning: SaveMe Oh
is nothing but a shit-stirrer with no talent and she should be
totally ignored. Making trouble is all she is good at – please
Dancoyote Antonelli: yeps.
Let’s start right away
Blackbox Blindside: You
have to admit she is only one able to stir things up, not bad in
arts. I am a fan, please don’t kill me.
Jaicya Albright: what!
Blackbox can’t you forget her. it seems she’s most important to you.
you must be the alt then
Blackbox Blindside: In
love with myself???? no!
Josef K: I am a SaveMe Oh
fan too. I have worked with her on several occasions back when I had
a gallery. And stirring up is what art must do. If not it’s just
Mandel Solano: it’s not
art to bully other people in SL
Blackbox Blindside: There
is a difference to tell the truth and bully. And can’t we all mute
Josef K: Well, that’s what
the DADA movement did in the beginning of last century. And DADA is
the mother of all good art today. SaveMe is the DADA of our time
Blackbox Blindside: Josef
be careful, before you know its on her blog, stirring more shit
Josef K: Hahaha … I love
reading her blog. It always makes me laugh. It’s like reading The
Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen. SaveMe reveals all
the bogus in the SL art world
Blackbox Blindside: Maybe
they should ask her as LEA’s next bullshit detector!
Josef K: What a great idea
Mandel Solano: What sort
of art are you making, yourself?
Blackbox Blindside: None,
I am just an art lover
Mandel Solano: But then
you should not put art from others at LEA5. Put it up on your own
Blackbox Blindside: When
artists are banned we should show their work, especially when in a
corrupt regime like here
Mandel Solano: and I think
you do not understand the struggle to make art, as you do not make
Blackbox Blindside: I dont
have to understand the struggle, I am just an art lover
Mandel Solano: No you are
not. You do not even know who SaveMe Oh is
Blackbox Blindside: Yes I
do as I bought her work, I love it.
Mandel Solano: It does not
make you an art lover, it just make you a spokesman for him.
Blackbox Blindside: Him?
Mandel Solano: I said you
do not know who he is!
Blackbox Blindside: She is
so cute, don’t tell me its a him
Mandel Solano: and what he
Mandel, please don’t destroy my wet dream
Mandel Solano: He dislike
woman especially, it’s why he make a female avatar
Blackbox Blindside: I
thought that was the objective of SL
Mandel Solano: To falsify
Blackbox Blindside: Be
whatever you want, didn’t know it was a crime. You also tell that to
the rabbits and tinies? For me she remains a woman, very sexy
Mandel Solano: Bullying is
very bad manner
Blackbox Blindside: Oops,
I better don’t say sexy before I get a #metoo
After a fierce battle of 9 years SaveMe Oh successfully closed down the corrupt elite “art” dictatorship of LEA (Licking Every A$$). The dictatorship used every possibility to ban, obstruct or silence SaveMe Oh in her fight for freedom but she was just too strong and now the committee admit their total defeat and agreed to surrender.
At the Two Fish
headquarters they signed their Declaration Regarding the Defeat of
LEA and the Assumption of Supreme Authority by SaveMe Oh.
The corrupt LEA Committee
has been completely defeated and have surrendered unconditionally and
LEA, which bears responsibility for 9 years of terror, oppression and
exclusion is no longer capable of resisting the will of the
victorious power of SaveMe Oh. The unconditional surrender of LEA has
thereby been effected, and LEA will be wiped off of the face of the
There is no central
committee or authority in LEA capable of accepting responsibility for
the maintenance of art with the requirements of the victorious power
SaveMe Oh makes the the
The LEA program will be
closed at the end of August 2019 when she will shut down all the
The principal LEA leaders
as specified by SaveMe Oh, and all persons from time to time named or
designated by rank, office or employment by SaveMe Oh as being
suspected of having committed, ordered or abetted art crimes or
analogous offences, will be apprehended and surrendered to SaveMe Oh.
PatriciaAnne Daviau, JMB
Balogh, LaPiscean Liberty, Jayjay Zifanwe, Solo Mornington, Secret
Rage, The Dove Rhode and Corcosman Voom.
They are accused of the
Participation in a
common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against
and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
Even when I am banned at a LEA “event” every activity there needs the name SaveMe Oh in chat, otherwise people will fall asleep. Not long after Tansee, Mandel Solano and Ultralight Alter started an extremely boring particle fart reunion SaveMe Oh was mentioned. And so I told my number one fan, Ampel Goosson to share the following lines in chat there to make it at least a dramatic event.
SaveMe Oh: Tell those suckers it’s extremely boring until now. The age of aquarius out of a elderly sanctuary. And give Solo Mornington a kiss.
Apmel Goosson: I have principles!!
And then a lively chatsession went off while no-one was paying attention anymore to the wallpaper provided by Mandel Solano and Ultralight Alter.
SaveMe Oh: Can you send Solo Mornington a kiss from me?
Eifachfilm Vacirca: I could also delete my account. I don”t touch poison
JMB Balogh: Ok Eif, what do you think you are doing? That’s disgusting. I am on the LEA committee
Eifachfilm Vacirca: I am older than LEA
JMB Balogh: What has that got to do with anything?
Eifachfilm Vacirca: I made the law lol
JMB Balogh: No one wanders around the sims, stop being a jackass
Eifachfilm Vacirca: What is a jackass?
JMB Balogh: Are you the holder of the core grant?
Eifachfilm Vacirca: No
SaveMe Oh: Hey Tyrehl, are you busy as parked LEA avatar, never mind
Tyrehl Byk: Why?
SaveMe Oh: I see you standing there as a sad black piece of crowshit. Could almost feel the pain. Must be hard to have to witness Mandel Solano’s amateurism together with the musak of Ultralight Alter, poor thing
Tyrehl Byk: Mostly I was just there to listen.
SaveMe Oh: Hope you woke up for the 5 minutes of SaveMe Oh exitement
Tyrehl Byk: I was able to catch up with a few old aquantences during that time tool. Mostly was interested in music and conversation…wasn’t much for the visuals today.
SaveMe Oh: The visuals were extremely poor, a pity they have banned me, I could have helped them out
Roxy Gellar: I am banned from the region
Fiona Leitner: So what now?
Roxy Gellar: That’s what I’d like to know
Fiona Leitner: we can’t unban you
Roxy Gellar: Why not? Who owns the estate?Who’s the estate manager?
Petitefleur: LaPiscean Liberty
Betty Tureaud: Mandel Solano
Mario2 Helstein: You are a traitor
Roxy Gellar:This is bullshit
Mario2 Helstein: You only dedicate yourself to sucking your cock, the rest does not matter, I thought you were different. I thought you were smarter
Roxy Gellar: I was banned from Ultra’s performance and apparently all of LEA. Fuck you Mandel and Mario. I have done nothing but work very hard for the music community. And spent hundreds of thousands of Lindens in support. Fuck you hard in the ass until you hemorrhage and die.
Mario2 Helstein: Never betrayals to who supports you. I’m not saying it for me
Roxy Gellar: My future events, should my account survive will be invitation only
SaveMe Oh: I will always be there for you Roxy, no matter how often we are banned
Apmel Goosson: awwww..friends for life
Lisbeth Salamander: I could cry 🙂
Apmel Goosson: Crying is the best of SaveMe
Glasz DeCuir: Dont arrive drunk home please SaveMe and Roxy!
When I joined the LEA committee as an adviser, John had the same position. At that time, he hadn’t shown up to the first meeting I attended, thus it was discussed about removing privileges from him since he was away. I didn’t realize it then, but one of the senior committee members, JMB Balogh, started grooming me to vote against John keeping his privileges.
In a private Discord chat, she told me that John had threatened her and fellow panel member, Secret Rage, “many times”. She didn’t go into what the threats were or how they were said. Still, I was aghast at this and wondered how they kept him on the committee at all. John then posted a letter in the LEA Google Groups site, stating someone had shown him the chat about removing his rights and that he was never contacted about anything. He seemed betrayed and very upset.
JMB became angry and grilled me in a private chat to see if I was the one who spoke to John. No one spoke up about who did it, so it was never revealed who was the culprit.
John resigned shortly afterwards. I had the inkling that someone pushed him to resign; he’s an emotional guy, and someone knew doing this to him would make him quit. But I kept those thoughts to myself and went on with training at LEA.
Hostility Over A Suggestion
LEA had a round of voting to allocate land to artists for its 13th batch of AiR grants. There were 30-something applicants; although my vote weighed less due to me being an adviser instead of a full member of the panel, I was still allowed to participate and become a liaison for the winners (which means, I would assist land grant artists if they had questions or needed help).
During the 13th round of voting, I saw several artists who seemed familiar to the voting process doing something strange–they were leaving direct notes in their apps for the panelists to read. Mostly this was listed where artists were to link their portfolio. Some 3D artists, instead, were inviting LEA members to view a “sneak peek” of their upcoming work. In fact, they wrote panelists’ names; some, who weren’t even with LEA any longer.
I thought it was weird and brought it up in the LEA Discord chat to discuss there first. My point was that a friendly reminder for people not to write notes like that in their apps would help to keep better distance between judges and applicants, in case the Lab ever looked over the apps in an audit.
Two people understood what I was saying (Patti and LaPiscean), but had different reactions. Patti felt I misunderstood the notes, while LaPiscean agreed and wanted me to bring it up at a meeting. I waited for the next panel meeting to take place, which was about every two weeks. When I did, I received a surprise.
At the next meeting, I was accused by JMB and Secret of causing trouble when I brought up the notes issue. I was shocked–was I not supposed to speak up about these things as an adviser? While LaPiscean still understood my stance, he explained they couldn’t address this publicly. It was best to let it go and move on.
JMB and Secret were set against me for the rest of the meeting, bringing up whatever they could to try and get me in trouble. It didn’t work and I was defended by Patti. By the time the meeting ended, I was angry. I told Patti about it, who said she had spoken to JMB about her tone. LaPiscean said I had to “earn my wings” with them.
I approached JMB and Secret separately and told them to never talk to me like that again, then turned in the resulting logs to Patti. In response, Secret posted a mass email to the entire group saying I had threatened her. When I asked Patti or LaPiscean to correct her over this lie, neither one of them did anything.
Pressure and Escalation
I had taken on a project to translate the LEA Sandbox rules into Spanish; I spoke a conversational amount but ended up needing help with translating certain terms anyway. When a fellow Second Life user came to my rescue, I thanked her by granting her a portrait to show my appreciation.
There was a meeting called at 2am (for 12 hours later) by one of the panelists. Although we had a deadline for me to finish the translation in two weeks’ time, the panel wanted me to turn the translation in that day. I told them a meeting called in less than 24 hours wouldn’t net me giving them work; it was unfair to expect that of me.
The next meeting, I turned the TOS translation in. But they wanted more. JMB suddenly recalled me having taken on the project of all the translations. Patti suddenly could not remember and seemed confused. I said no, because I only knew Spanish. They kept pressuring me to take the work, and I kept refusing. Then I told them, they can’t demand this of me and then be rude to me at the same time and call me a troublemaker. This is when they got upset and implied I shouldn’t be on the panel anymore. I told them I just wanted some basic respect, not to be lied about, and not pressured to go above and beyond for them while being treated badly.
JMB told me I had to “earn respect” with them.
I told them I had asked a mole to find a Linden to help me with this issue. They got upset and said it was against the rules to speak to people outside of LEA about LEA business. I pointed out that this is Linden business, and it is not against the rules to seek help for a situation in LEA gone awry.
What Secret Rage said then disheartened me: “They aren’t interested-we have 2 in our email thread with nary a peep.”
In other words, they knew they could do this to people and they would get away with it. This is why they have so far.
They held another meeting afterwards, locked me out, and passed me a note asking me to resign. I refused. Suddenly, everything from John’s push-out made sense; JMB had lied about the threats in order to turn my opinion against him. I had gotten played like a fiddle and was now the target of their next bout of harassment.
Afterwards, LaPiscean had this to say to me in a private chat: “Patti and I were outvoted. [JMB] will be on her way to give you the bad news, if she hasn’t already. But I am making moves so that this cannot happen to others.”
Recognizing Abuse Online
Isolation, deception, implied threats, and trying to limit your outreach to authority for help. This is abuse. And when you’re dealt this as a means of proving your worth to receive some kind of promotion or acceptance, that’s hazing. Straight up. Looking back, it’s crystal clear to me.
I know John and I aren’t the first people to deal with this. Many artists who deal with LEA believe the panel exercises bias when doling out grants. I went in believing maybe people just didn’t see the other side of what happens in planning and awarding grants, but I was horribly dismayed to find their assumptions were true–and so much more.
I’m leaving this entry here to warn others against dealing with any of the panel members here. If you do, document everything. Find a Linden to turn it into… if you can, because my efforts to even find a Linden to listen to this tale have been unsuccessful. If you’re out there, a Linden reading this? I’ve got logs to back up what I’m saying.
The Linden Endowment for the Arts is a mess. I have no idea what it’s going to take to clean it up. A rotating group of curators who vote in projects when it’s time? A smaller panel whose only job is not voting, but janitorial duties who works with the temporary panel of curators? A Linden on the panel to keep an eye on everybody? To wipe this program and start over, and not let SL users control app files and archives this time?
Whatever LL does, next time they need to make sure the committee doesn’t get so comfortable with itself that it resorts to hazing and power plays to control others. We would all be a lot better without that. ☆
“Why haven’t LEA members done anything about this?” Per LaPiscean, they know what’s going on but it seems to be an issue of voting majority. It’s going to take enough to stop this from happening. Some of the quieter members are also averse to confrontation.
“But I don’t see evidence of wrongdoing.” Thankfully, the quotes I listed show they are aware of their actions; they just don’t want to fix it.
“Would you return to LEA if they installed a new committee?” Nope. I don’t even feel people should mess with the panel anymore at all unless a Linden is keeping an eye on them. As a group, they just aren’t trustworthy at this point.
“Why do you care about this at all?” In a way, people are paying for this program. LL provides 20-something free sims for LEA to play with. That money’s coming from somewhere, and it isn’t the employees’ pockets.