Your New President SaveMe Oh, Rose Borchovski And Peter Greenaway Are Angry

After being banned for one day from secondlife, one of my first ladies, Rose Borchovski was brutalised too. Read this.

ANGRY ROSE SPAM;

Hello Secondlife art Lovers:

My Susa Bubble Installation : The Kiss has been returned to me from the SL7B sims where Linden is celebrating Secondlife.  I quote “The images on your build are in violation of our general rating, to be clear: Nudity is not allowed at art events with a general maturity rating.”
I would like to point out and educate Linden Lab that most of classic and contemporary art is based upon nudity. Not because of Sex, but because of the beauty and the vulnerability of the human body, the human body we all share and look at in the bathroom mirror in the early morning.

The story of Susa is a sweet but savage story, told in image and text, sound and installation. It is about our dark inside, but also shows how vulnerable and lonely we all can be. My art shows a naked body, but it is not about nudity or sex.

Art being shown at a public art event of Linden means pretty pictures that bring aesthetic pleasure void of all critical thinking. Culture must be “safe” / sterile, no matter how free of content that makes it. As implemented by LL, “Community Standards” means content so content less that no viewer has even a remote chance of being caused to think about anything, to question any of their values or assumptions. Safe in SL means safe from thought.

When I protested against it in the group chat I was shut out .I was told not to discuss it in SL7B Group Chat “because this isn’t the place” — because NO place is the place to discuss it — because we don’t even want to think or let others think about the ideas we don’t want to think about

The worst part of censorship is not that which is censored, but the climate of self-censorship it imposes on all artists. Art is about having a voice. Art is about thinking differently and about thinking from fresh perspectives. When artists are not allowed to have a voice, culture is not allowed to progress.
When I hide my susas nakedness, I have stopped telling her story.

Nothing is more resistant to authoritarian control than a naked body. Control & conformity require uniforms. Nudity is too wild and uncontrolled. When you know my Susa Bubble story you can see it isn’t really even about “nudity” but that just suggests how powerful the forces for thinking-avoidance-at-all-costs are. Better to censor the world than risk allowing in a question that could topple the status quo. Authority does not like questions. Authority does not like creativity. Authority does not like art. Authority does not like nudity.

I did not bring my installation to the celebration to publicize myself, I make in art in SL because I want to share my Susa story and touch people

Greetings Rose Borchovski

In an direct talk with Courtney Linden she get this responce:

Rose Borchovski: last word is spoken, or I dress susas or they are not welcome, according to Courtney they are offensive

As your new president I asked well known film maker Peter Greenaway for a reaction, here is his comment:

SECOND LIFE NUDITY CENSORSHIP

Dear Courtney Linden,

As a reaction to the rejection of Rose Borchovski ‘s art installation : The Kiss at the Celebration Sim, I would like you to read this.

It seems to me incredible that you are enforcing censorship concerning nudity in public forums on Second Life.

Traditions of nudity in Western Art have for centuries been legitimate, honourable and creditable.
The cyperspaces of Second Life – and Second Life has so far proved itself to be among the very best of such events -
are among todays’ cutting edge of visual languages – continuing an enviable tradition of new technologies in the visual arts
now that the orthodox cinematic arts are proving themselves moribund and archaic, and enforcing new efforts to
avoid artistic elitism and the encouragement of egalitarianism in artistic expression  Any artist worth his or her salt,
always must engage in contemporary technologies – it has been the very reputable tradition of the most worthwhile artists
that has benefitted us all. Visual artists have always taught us to look. The man-made world owes them everything.
Just because you have eyes does not mean you can see. And the political and social emancipation of the naked and the nude
by artists has been essential for humanist civilisation – it has given you and me great liberalities of thinking and self-respect.

Whatever else you think you may be doing with Second Life, you have created a very sophisticated tool that combines
traditions of painting with cinema and the graphic arts in present tense terms that permits visual expression
of language like never before. Do not underestimate what you have created -  but to remain creditable you simply
cannot enforce reactionary hypocritical standards that have been so discredited over the last five hundred years.

Like any self-respecting artist of course I am against gratuitous exploitation that demeans and insults intelligence and
sensibilities but by your blanket censorship you are now doing both those things – insulting artistic intelligence and
demeaning sensibility.
I suspect you are responding to pressure, to some form of mind-police, certainly to some form of political correctness
that is related to money and the slow swing to the political right that is happening all over the world related to
civilisation’s fear of financial insecurity. Don’t go that way. You are endangering a tool that is greater than you.

When the cultural histories of the early 21st century are written from hindsight, you will undoubtedly find the possibilities and
successes of Second Life being eminently lauded and praised.  Too many art forms in the 20th century have been stunted
and deformed and deflected into ineffectuality and banality by small mindedness. If you really insist in so-called protection
of innocence (and I really wonder what that really is – is it a synonym in fact for ignorance and intolerance?) then do so on a careful
case by case basis with intelligence and foresight. This will be troublesome for you to do, if you want to do it well.  But it will
be very well worth your while,

Yours, hoping you will see sense, and not be influenced by short-term gain.

Peter Greenaway, film-maker.

Rose spam
Hello , I feel I’m obliged to make a reply after all the dust I have raised:
When I did set up The Kiss it did not even cross my mind that I was violating any rules of the LL celebration. My Susa is a caricature , a cartoon,  she is naked like Donald duck is naked, she has no genitals, and a flat chest . She is not real , I do not even try to make her look real, she is a little creature telling a story. The story is about the dark inner life of us all.
The rejection of my Susa Bubble story from the second life celebration has caused a lot of discussion; it brought people together but also polarized their opinions. I also notice a big difference in culture between the continents.
The biggest shock to me is that I suddenly realised what Linden Lab is standing for. Different parties lectured me that I’m just a client and that I have NO rights. Everything I do in Second life is monitored and when it is not approved off, I can be ejected totally without any reason given. A warning was given.
A moderator of the Second life group burning life explained to me, that there is NO freedom of speech in this group or any other group owned by LL and I was rejected from the chat.
I raised my voice because I love making my art in Second life. I love the animation; the imperfection of it and the fact the world is build by so many different cultures from all over the world. I do not financial gain from it, but the joy to create and to develop my story is giving me an enormous thrill and I’m proud to be part of the SL.
I raised my voice yesterday because I was upset and surprised being excluded from the SL7B. I feel I was part of that community and that my art deserved a spot at the celebration, to be celebrated as well.
I raised my voice because of the way it was handled. When I came online I found my installation in my lost and found folder with a formal message in IM from a Linden. A moderator of the SL7B GROUP saw the installation on my sim before it was put down at SL7B. Several Moderators helped me while I was setting up the installation. I had sent all the information about my Susa Bubble Story by forehand to Linden: video, LM of my sim and notecard with info. I admit, I was absolutely naïf about my Susas being naked, I do not see them as being naked anymore but as vulnerable and lost. I’m not insensitive about other peoples feelings, the SL7B was not opened yet for an audience, they could have asked me to come down and explain the problem before deleting me.
I raised my voice because the installation I did put down at SL7B was not about nudity; you see some naked upper bodies with flat chests. I would like to stress that it is a complete installation: a mixture of space, image, sound and text.
I raised my voice, not to be personally seen or drawn attention to my art in SL but to be heard in a much broader context. I suddenly realize my avatar and all it stands for, can be deleted totally by one push on the button of a Linden. I hope people realize that in the end this is not about Rose and her Susa Bubble story, they become insignificant, it has a much wider context. This is touching us all.
 
The Kiss; (text of the installation)
 
We need a religion
Something to believe, a leader, wise and strong
Someone who can turn wrong into right
And right into left when it seems wrong
 
Among themselves they chose Susa one
The source from which they all sprung
Despite the fact she was the first to be double
One took the role of Leader on her own
Which of course was causing trouble
 
With a Supper they did try,
Drinking the wine,
Eating the fish
Breaking the bread
Sharing one dish
 
For a moment it felt good
All seemed to be at peace
but Susa Two kept sighing
not at all at ease
 
Two was jealous of the attention One got
And betrayed her with a single kiss
There was rumble in the sky
And the sun disappeared
One spoke soft: “why, oh why
Do you commit an act like this”
 
And that only because
of  jealousy or greed
We were all friends
What more did you need ?
 
Two shrugged her shoulders
and turned all pale
I don’t feel like a Susa
I‘m person of my own.
My name is Judith now
leave me alone!
 
Who do you think you are?
They screamed out loud
You are not more than we are
Maybe even less than more
That should be enough to make you proud
 
 
They all knew it was the beginning of the end
Today’s enemy was yesterday’s friend
6 was irritated by the way 7 ate
4 did not like the time 9 went to bed
3 teased 4 with a freckle on her nose
7 convinced 6 there was something wrong with her toes
10 spat in the wine of 8 just to provoke
8 hit 10 in the face not charmed by the joke
9 annoyed 12 by just laughing out loud
and 2 just kept refusing to be one of the crowd
 
3 times the cockerel crowed
it became the period of denial
to be a Susa made nobody proud
and with out any shame
they made Judith to blame
and  convicted her without trial
 
“It is not my fault”, Judith cried
“I’m not to blame
Blame her ! and her!”
And rather upset
She pointed around
We all make mistakes
You seem to forget
 
Thank you Rose)) I wish you an enjoyable and rich Second Life

20 thoughts on “Your New President SaveMe Oh, Rose Borchovski And Peter Greenaway Are Angry

  1. I think the art is beautiful, engaging, intriguing and awesome use of the unique SL tools! But artists have to understand the rules about exhibiting in public spaces in SL before they set it up. All the art history lessons in the world do not negate the fact that you are exhibiting your art in a space that has rules and guidelines against nude imagery that will be enforced, regardless of how amazing the art is. There are so many many many more great exhibition spaces in SL that will embrace this installation. Don’t be upset, don’t spend so much time posting and writing how unfair this is… move on, make more gorgeous art, and we will find it and eat it up!

    • Hello Filthy thank you for you comment)

      When I did set up my Kiss it did not even cross my mind that I was violating any rules of the LL celebration. My Susa is a caricature , a cartoon, she is naked like Donald duck is naked, she has no genitals, and a flat chest . She is not real , I do not even try to make her look real, she is a little creature telling a story. The story is about the dark inner life of us all.
      The rejection of my Susa Bubble story from the second life celebration has caused a lot of discussion; it brought people together but also polarized their opinions. I also notice a big difference in culture between the continents.
      The biggest shock to me is that I suddenly realised what Linden Lab is standing for.
      I was lectured by different parties that I’m just a client and that I have NO rights. Everything I do in Second life is monitored and when it is not approved off, I can be ejected totally without any reason given.
      I was explained by a moderator of the Second life group burning life, that there is NO freedom of speech in this group or any other group owned by LL and I was rejected from the chat.

      I raised my voice because I love making my art in Second life. I love the animation, the imperfection of it and the fact the world is build by so many different cultures from all over the world. I do not financial gain from it, but the joy to create and to develop my story is giving me an enormous thrill.

      I raised my voice yesterday because I was upset and surprised being excluded from a Second life celebration, I feel I was part of that community and that my art deserved a spot at the celebration, to be celebrated as well.

      I raised my voice because the installation I did put down at SL7B was not about nudity, you see some naked upper bodies with flat chests. I would like to stress that it is a total installation image, sound and text.

      I suddenly realise I can be deleted totally by one push on the Button of a Linden.
      I hope people realise that in the end this is not about me and my art, it has a much wider context. This is touching us all.

      The Kiss; (text of the installation)

      We need a religion
      Something to believe, a leader, wise and strong
      Someone who can turn wrong into right
      And right into left when it seems wrong

      Among themselves they chose Susa one
      The source from which they all sprung
      Despite the fact she was the first to be double
      One took the role of Leader on her own
      Which of course was causing trouble

      With a Supper they did try,
      Drinking the wine,
      Eating the fish
      Breaking the bread
      Sharing one dish

      For a moment it felt good
      All seemed to be at peace
      but Susa Two kept sighing
      not at all at ease

      Two was jealous of the attention One got
      And betrayed her with a single kiss
      There was rumble in the sky
      And the sun disappeared
      One spoke soft: “why, oh why
      Do you commit an act like this”

      And that only because
      of jealousy or greed
      We were all friends
      What more did you need ?

      Two shrugged her shoulders
      and turned all pale
      I don’t feel like a Susa
      I‘m person of my own.
      My name is Judith now
      leave me alone!

      Who do you think you are?
      They screamed out loud
      You are not more than we are
      Maybe even less than more
      That should be enough to make you proud

      They all knew it was the beginning of the end
      Today’s enemy was yesterday’s friend
      6 was irritated by the way 7 ate
      4 did not like the time 9 went to bed
      3 teased 4 with a freckle on her nose
      7 convinced 6 there was something wrong with her toes
      10 spat in the wine of 8 just to provoke
      8 hit 10 in the face not charmed by the joke
      9 annoyed 12 by just laughing out loud
      and 2 just kept refusing to be one of the crowd

      3 times the cockerel crowed
      it became the period of denial
      to be a Susa made nobody proud
      and with out any shame
      they made Judith to blame
      and convicted her without trial

      “It is not my fault”, Judith cried
      “I’m not to blame
      Blame her ! and her!”
      And rather upset
      She pointed around
      We all make mistakes
      You seem to forget

    • Another sad tyranic example of puritan US.
      hey Lindens, just put all americans in the teen grid … problem solved!

  2. Where the LINDEN says we are just clients and have to shut up

    Saturday 19 july 2010
    MaMachinima
    Zurixon Yamauba: ohh im a fan of peter greenaway filmography
    Zurixon Yamauba: sorry i had recieved the note he wrote and u sent in the group
    Peoney Feld: haven’t the Lindens ever been to a museum..to where schools send children for field trips and parents bring their children?
    Judi Newall: huh?
    Zurixon Yamauba: nudity is only bad if its too cold outside XD
    Peoney Feld: Judi, I am reacting to Rose Borchovski’s notice asd the Peter Greenaway note card to the Lindens.
    Peoney Feld: LL took down an exhibit that waws in a mature siim because there was nudity
    Peoney Feld: here is the originl message from Rose:
    Peoney Feld: My Susa Bubble Installation : The Kiss has been returned to me from the SL7B sims where Linden is celebrating Secondlife. I quote “The images on your build are in violation of our general rating, to be clear: Nudity is not allowed at art events with a general maturity rating.” I would like to point out and educate Linden Lab that most of classic and contemporary art is based upon nudity. Not because of Sex, but because of the beauty and the vulnerability of the human body, the human body we all share
    Judi Newall: Didin’t see it so can’t comment
    SaveMe OHare: everyone participating in any LINDEN sponsered event should reconsider
    Peoney Feld: If anyone would like a copy of P Greenaway’s notecred, let me know
    Larkworthy Antfarm: BOYCOTT!
    Francoise Eichel: yeah Peoney
    Peoney Feld: kk
    SaveMe OHare: i have the whole story on my blog http://savemeoh.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/your-new-president-saveme-oh-rose-borchovski-and-peter-greenaway-are-angry/
    Peoney Feld: thanks, SaveMe
    SaveMe OHare: Linden is already a long time busy with censorsip
    Judi Newall: Your new president??
    Francoise Eichel: ohh, i alrrady have a notecard, i was thinking an examplar of his work
    Peoney Feld: I knkow
    Peoney Feld: know
    Judi Newall: They make the rules they decide what to censor
    Alizarin Goldflake: Peoney – hi :)
    Peoney Feld: and they are embarking setttin up art sims, under their so called Endowment for the arts…how is that going to work.. I went to a meeting yesterday about it.
    SaveMe OHare: we should all refuse to cooperate with them as long artist are not granted freedom and the right to judge themself what they make
    Alizarin Goldflake: I would like a copy of the Greenaway notecard
    Peoney Feld: Hi Alizarin
    Peoney Feld: sure
    SaveMe OHare: its in my blog aliz
    Peoney Feld: Honestly, I find this very hard to believe…
    Alizarin Goldflake: ty SaveMe – I’ll go look
    Peoney Feld: how LL has treated art here in sl
    Zurixon Yamauba: is really crazy to censored nudity in XXI furthermore in an art expression
    SaveMe OHare: here is it anyway
    SaveMe OHare: they can close the louvre in Paris too
    Judi Newall: SL6B is a big event, LL don’t like anything dubious at such showcases, too easy for press to report it and create more furore
    SaveMe OHare: lots of nudity there, this is really ridiculous
    Peoney Feld: I assume LL’s answer is that nudity is allowed on Adult sims..
    Francoise Eichel: who is Peter Greenaways ? can’t find SL the name
    Francoise Eichel: Susa Bubble ?
    Toxic Menges: were they child avis? that were photographed with bare breasts?
    Peoney Feld: he is a filmmaker
    Peoney Feld: not in sl
    Peoney Feld: I dont think
    SaveMe OHare: Every artist should redraw from SL7B as a protest
    Peoney Feld: a supporter of sl
    Zurixon Yamauba: in this way of thinking, david of miguel angel should be prohibited XD
    Peoney Feld: I wish all the artists would, SaveMe
    Judi Newall: The Louvre nudes aren’t at local annual shows, they’d create same response there
    SaveMe OHare: Toxic, please
    Peoney Feld: how can we get them to do that?
    Peoney Feld: seriously
    Peoney Feld: we need to band together
    Peoney Feld: to be effective
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Yes
    SaveMe OHare: We have to cooperate all together
    SaveMe OHare: and ask artists to do so
    Alizarin Goldflake: I cant withdraw – I gave SL7B a pass to begin with :))
    Toxic Menges: the sims are pg, and also tos doesnt allow child avis to be used in that manner
    Peoney Feld: how can we do that…form a group agaiisnt censorship?
    SaveMe OHare: just to make a statement
    Peoney Feld: let’s form an anti censorship group
    SaveMe OHare: I have just made a group last week
    SaveMe OHare: FREE THE AVATAR
    Peoney Feld: art anti censorship group
    Peoney Feld: Artists against Censorship
    Alizarin Goldflake: I have an idea – let’s all go to Inworldz
    SaveMe OHare: if you like we could all join there
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I refuse to participate except as part of the protests!
    Peoney Feld: against LL censorsip
    SaveMe OHare: and work together
    Larkworthy Antfarm: SL7B fascists!
    SaveMe OHare: I will make a suggestion of boycot
    Peoney Feld: does anyone want to make a group?
    Ed Vespucciano: sounds good to me … I’ll join that group
    SaveMe OHare: and we can send it in all our groups
    Peoney Feld: yes, Save M
    Peoney Feld: also
    Peoney Feld: you know
    Peoney Feld: Chantel Harvey and Bryn Oh
    tutsy Navarathna: even i can’t speak english very well .. i will be with you
    Alizarin Goldflake: i think we should all band together and make avs in Inworldz and boycott SL entirely for a period
    Peoney Feld: are on the Endowment board
    Peoney Feld: they have to be on board with fighting this
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Yes!!
    SaveMe OHare: and the real artists dont need SL7B to expose their work
    Peoney Feld: thanks tutsy, don’t need to speak much English to see how wrong this is
    Peoney Feld: good
    SaveMe OHare: they find other options
    Peoney Feld: we need to protest at SL7B
    Alizarin Goldflake: Celestial Elf is already making Inworldz machinima
    Peoney Feld: can we make plackards
    Ed Vespucciano: is Greenaway actually using sl? does anyone know?
    tutsy Navarathna: sure
    Peoney Feld: and demontrate?
    Peoney Feld: \apparentl he knows Rose
    tutsy Navarathna: its a great film maker
    Peoney Feld: let’
    SaveMe OHare: Peter Greenaway is a strong supporter of sl
    Peoney Feld: let’s make signts and demonsrtrate
    Peoney Feld: at SLb7
    Larkworthy Antfarm: He is Rose’s mentor.
    Alizarin Goldflake: lucky Rose!
    Peoney Feld: is anyone willing to demostrate?
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I have a sign that says no thought police and will send to anyone who IM’s me!
    SaveMe OHare: as others he see this is a new and powerfull medium, and artist have to defend the right on freedom of expression
    Peoney Feld: of course
    Toxic Menges: peoney … its a showcase event the press would have a field day .. child avis with their tits out … umm no i dont think so
    Peoney Feld: but we have to be smart and make an organized effort
    SaveMe OHare: and not the guys who own decide
    Peoney Feld: not just comments and chat…
    Peoney Feld: we need to take action,
    Peoney Feld: like deomostrate
    Peoney Feld: or make a new group
    Peoney Feld: make it constantly viisible
    SaveMe OHare: Rose dont use childavis, but Susas, her art
    Peoney Feld: are domonstrations against tos?
    SaveMe OHare: who are nude like the LINDEN all shaped us
    Francoise Eichel: i think that if anybody is to protest relatively to Peter’s exclusion they (we) need to see some work the brought his work to be refused
    Toxic Menges: the art if I am correct was a child avi with breasts exposed
    Peoney Feld: hmm
    SaveMe OHare: nooooooooo TOXIS
    Toxic Menges: not allowed in a pg sim
    SaveMe OHare: you are so wrong
    Peoney Feld: okay so it was not just nudity
    SaveMe OHare: they are nude like donald duck is nude
    Larkworthy Antfarm: not true…
    SaveMe OHare: or the venus of milo
    Peoney Feld: does anyone know the piece by Rose that she is talking about?
    Toxic Menges: even young looking avis …. its not going to ever be acceptable at an event like that .. no matter what you think of it as art
    SaveMe OHare: go to her sim TWO FISH and its full of them
    Peoney Feld: well, toxic we can object
    SaveMe OHare: and judge for yourself
    Peoney Feld: it is an adult sim, I take it
    Francoise Eichel: thanks SaveMe
    Peoney Feld: well, child porn, and i am not saying that it is, is a different story of cuorse
    Toxic Menges: her sim is her choice
    Toxic Menges: on pg land at a linden event is another matter
    Peoney Feld: I had nude sl photos in my art show on a mature sim
    SaveMe OHare: come to see
    SaveMe OHare: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cariacou/144/83/21
    Peoney Feld: kk
    Peoney Feld: will be there
    Toxic Menges: SaveMe… thats her sim
    Peoney Feld: in a flash
    SaveMe OHare: yes i know
    Larkworthy Antfarm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJdVCqG3bZs
    Francoise Eichel: can’t find “Two Fish ” on map
    Larkworthy Antfarm: a link to the art in a video
    Peoney Feld: you know they do have us by the short hairs, this is a private company
    Peoney Feld: and they can run it the way they want
    Peoney Feld: evern censorship
    Toxic Menges: its their sandbox.. if you dont like it ..
    Peoney Feld: but we do not have to stay silent about it
    SaveMe OHare: censorship is worse then ownership
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I don’t have to attend their show, film their events either
    Francoise Eichel: i find it stupid that an art exibit would takae place on PG sims in the first place
    Larkworthy Antfarm: my choice
    Larkworthy Antfarm: their loss
    Toxic Menges: exactly :)
    Peoney Feld: why shouldnt there be art on a pg sim, Francoise
    Peoney Feld: I have been looking at art since I waws born
    Peoney Feld: that’s how I developed an interest in it..lol
    SaveMe OHare: Children should also be teached not to be affaid of nudity
    Peoney Feld: and learned
    Peoney Feld: by observing
    Francoise Eichel: because its saying upfront that they don’t want any controversial work
    Zurixon Yamauba: well in this way, is true, everybody has the rights to show or not whatever in their places
    SaveMe OHare: its not a crime
    Peoney Feld: nude paintings
    SaveMe OHare: nudity
    Peoney Feld: lol
    SaveMe OHare: but a beauty
    Peoney Feld: learned a lot about anatomy so I could draw it
    Ed Vespucciano: hi peony
    Larkworthy Antfarm: The susas are like cupids…
    Francoise Eichel: and thats not an art exibit for children is it ?
    SaveMe OHare: that people react so narrowminded is the big danger for the world
    Larkworthy Antfarm: they are mythological
    Ed Vespucciano: is someone going to form a protest group?
    Peoney Feld: who wants to join?
    SaveMe OHare: join FREE THE AVATAR
    Peoney Feld: it is Free ART in sl
    Peoney Feld: what is free the avatar?
    Ed Vespucciano: I’ll join
    SaveMe OHare: a group to free the avatar from LINDEN ruling
    Peoney Feld: that’s great…I’d like it to be more specific
    SaveMe OHare: to connect all sims, opengrid and sl
    Peoney Feld: though
    SaveMe OHare: without borders
    Peoney Feld nods
    SaveMe OHare: with free traffic of ideas
    Peoney Feld: I think it might be something like Free Artists in SL
    Peoney Feld: or Free Art in SL
    Peoney Feld: Free the art in SL
    SaveMe OHare: thats important
    Zurixon Yamauba: art in sl is free anyway, we can show whatever in our sims
    Peoney Feld: so it does not mean free artl..lol
    Peoney Feld: Free the Art in SL
    Peoney Feld: good titie?
    SaveMe OHare: first they need the artists for free to make their world
    SaveMe OHare: and now they censor them
    Peoney Feld: yes, SaveME, I just LOVE thatt
    Peoney Feld: we need to lean on Chantal and Bryn
    SaveMe OHare: its not the LINDEN who make SL, but it is us
    Peoney Feld: they aer on the endowment commision
    Peoney Feld: that’s true, S
    Peoney Feld: Yesterday, there was a meeting hosted by Sasun Steinberg
    Peoney Feld: for gallery owners
    Peoney Feld: and many voiiced the censorship issue
    Peoney Feld: this was for feedback to the LL Endowment for the ARts
    Peoney Feld: everyone should comment on what LL does with that
    Peoney Feld: it will affect us all
    SaveMe OHare: And you know, the ones who are against this are with their arms far inside the asses of LINDEN
    Peoney Feld: okay,SMO, did not follow that one..
    Peoney Feld: sorry
    Peoney Feld: rephrase, pleawse?
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I will write an article if people here will let me quiote them!
    SaveMe OHare: Some artist are already so tied up with the LINDEN that they accept collegues being censored
    Peoney Feld: ah
    Peoney Feld: hmmmm
    Peoney Feld: are you referring to Chantal and Bryn? Surely, they cannot be in favor of this kind of censorship..no nude art in a mature sim….yikes
    SaveMe OHare: no im not refering to them
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Chantal does not ever support censorship!
    SaveMe OHare: for sure not
    Peoney Feld: well, those two are great allies
    Zurixon Yamauba: i think i have the rights to make the kind of art i want, in the other hand, people are in the rights to r not
    Peoney Feld: then and we must find a way to communicate how bad this policy is
    Peoney Feld: through them and how artists here feel so beat down about it
    Peoney Feld: it is so bad for creativity
    Larkworthy Antfarm: They invited Rose to exhibit…how could they not know she only has Susa art? And that Susa is never clothed???
    SaveMe OHare: She already does that for ages, so how blind you can be
    SaveMe OHare: but for sure somebody complain
    Ed Vespucciano: gtg …. if you get a protest group happening send an invite to this group & I’ll join right away …. I think Peter Greenaway’s support is great – should be mentioned in group info!
    Ed Vespucciano: seeya
    Peoney Feld: bye Ed
    SaveMe OHare: as always
    SaveMe OHare: somebody complains
    SaveMe OHare: and measures are taken
    Peoney Feld: That is so true SMO
    SaveMe OHare: on Youtube, Face book
    SaveMe OHare: secondlife
    SaveMe OHare: everywhere we allow them to censor us
    SaveMe OHare: as if we cant think ourselves
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I was forced to remove my Susa video from Youtube
    SaveMe OHare: when something is really out of orders most countries have laws for that
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I got 6 months probation for showing a ruthed avatar!!
    SaveMe OHare: and not some selfasteemed judges should decide about good or bad
    Peoney Feld: You know, SMO that is very powerful, that they asked her to exhibit but obviously never looked at her work…how imporant is it to them, really..
    Larkworthy Antfarm: yeah!
    SaveMe OHare: they only look for name dropping
    Peoney Feld: that is laughable
    SaveMe OHare: not whats the theme of a work
    Peoney Feld: you should write that in your blog
    Peoney Feld: SMO
    Peoney Feld: that LL invited her
    Peoney Feld: and then threw her out
    Larkworthy Antfarm: they never even saw a single Susa!
    Zurixon Yamauba: well that is true too
    SaveMe OHare: I already write about this 3 years in my blog
    tutsy Navarathna: i have to go… if i can help you tell me. This war is a old war and we need to continue it until we win
    SaveMe OHare: that we all are so happy to censor eachother
    SaveMe OHare: why=
    Peoney Feld: how knoeledgeable is LL about what they are doing and saying?
    Peoney Feld: cya tutsy
    SaveMe OHare: go have a look in Rose her sim and see her nude susas
    Larkworthy Antfarm: seems like one hand does not know what the other does and head is stuck up butt!
    Peoney Feld: yes, I think I’ve seen a few
    Peoney Feld: lol
    SaveMe OHare: and how offending they are
    Peoney Feld: they are ambiguous beings
    Peoney Feld: that’s all
    Peoney Feld: nothing to get nuts about
    SaveMe OHare: best art is art that makes you think
    Peoney Feld: of course!
    SaveMe OHare: this is the slurl for the work THE KISS http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cariacou/28/122/21
    Peoney Feld: ty
    Peoney Feld: takes you to her sim Two FIsh
    Larkworthy Antfarm: And this is the specific work they banned?
    SaveMe OHare: yes
    Peoney Feld: I would be happy to start a group, but my time in sl is kind of limited
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Shopuld put pointy sexs bras on her and force them to show that with thought police censorhip pasties on them!
    Peoney Feld: Her figures are these ambiguous beings..
    Peoney Feld: they seem to represent humanity
    Peoney Feld: itself
    SaveMe OHare: in her sim is all the story. Linden never took the time to read that for sure
    Peoney Feld: of coure
    Peoney Feld: se
    Peoney Feld: I think that is important for your blog, SMO, no?
    SaveMe OHare: freedom is always important
    SaveMe OHare: for everybody
    SaveMe OHare: wherever you are
    Peoney Feld: do you think we need a separate group for this? I kinda think so
    Peoney Feld: are you at the artwork, SaveMe?
    Peoney Feld: can someone pleawse send me a tp?
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Free the Avatar group was founded by Rose herself
    Peoney Feld: I am on the sim
    Peoney Feld: but do not see it
    Peoney Feld: oh, interesting
    Peoney Feld: thanks, SMO
    Larkworthy Antfarm: send me tp to the work too if anyone is there
    Peoney Feld: actually I have seen this…and it is not sexual at all
    Peoney Feld: it is about the transfer of ideas, I think
    lizsolo Mathilde: does anyone have the notecard from peter greenway,can’t open it
    Peoney Feld: yes, I’lol send you one
    lizsolo Mathilde: ty
    Peoney Feld: anyone have a LM for SL7B?
    SaveMe OHare: in search you find it
    SaveMe OHare: but its still empty
    Peoney Feld: kk
    Peoney Feld: oh
    Peoney Feld: kk
    Peoney Feld: I think LL had a reaction to what the piece is really about..religion
    SaveMe OHare: its all about religion too
    SaveMe OHare: there are 33 Susas
    Peoney Feld: yes, what I am saying is that the nudity thig might be a rouse to cover up their real objections
    Peoney Feld: anything construed as anti religion
    Peoney Feld: or any signicant about religion
    SaveMe OHare: mighty sponsorship is always hidden somewhere
    Peoney Feld: right
    Peoney Feld: I wonder if LL is receiving any federal funding, because if they are,
    Peoney Feld: that is the way to stop them from censorship
    Peoney Feld: of course, they do not have to open their financials…it’s a privagte company
    SaveMe OHare: Rose Borchovski: last word is spoken, or I dress susas or they are not welcome, according to Courtney they are offensive
    Peoney Feld: how much time has she spent in museums, I wonder..
    Larkworthy Antfarm: I can TP anyone here who wants to see the censored work
    izsolo Mathilde: tp pls
    Peoney Feld: how about group name: There is Art in Nudity
    Larkworthy Antfarm: Art Uncensored
    Peoney Feld: that ‘s good
    Peoney Feld: I like it

    Second life artists
    Aruba DeCuir: Thank you to Peter Greenaway – I wonder if LL will ever read Greenaways letter…….
    Peoney Feld: you need the notecard?
    Aruba DeCuir: uhmm no…
    SaveMe OHare: peter send it to the linden himself
    typote Beck: Id like to have this notecard
    Aruba DeCuir: I wonder if they can read
    SaveMe OHare: i send it to you typote
    Peoney Feld: there you go typote
    Aruba DeCuir: beside the same discussion have been here before….
    SaveMe OHare: its all here typote http://savemeoh.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/your-new-president-saveme-oh-rose-borchovski-and-peter-greenaway-are-angry/
    typote Beck: i have receive the note thanks
    Trill Zapatero: would be cool if there was a VW devoted exclusively to the arts
    Peoney Feld: VW?
    Aruba DeCuir: Volks Wagen?
    SaveMe OHare: for now they are only devoted to money
    Trill Zapatero: Virtual World
    Trill Zapatero: sowwy
    Aruba DeCuir: well….. I just find it strange – this anxiety for nudity…..
    SaveMe OHare: his is the slurl for the work THE KISS http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cariacou/28/122/21
    SaveMe OHare: see for yourself
    Trill Zapatero: put some speedos on the sculpture of David
    Aruba DeCuir: that was done
    Aruba DeCuir: – a fig leaf!
    Pixels Sideways: cheers to Rose and Greenaway — never have understood why anyone gets tweaked over nudity in a virtual world and the blatant hypocrisy of LL when they have their hands out accepting a shitload of income from adult content some of which makes even the most liberal minded do a wtf is that double-take :-D
    SaveMe OHare: thats the point PIXELS, you are just pointing it out right
    Aruba DeCuir: yes …. one wonders…..
    SaveMe OHare: rose work is forbidden and somewhere else they host torture zones
    Oberon Onmura: I showed Rose’s piece at my gallery for a month. No one complained. Aren’t we all supposed to be adults here?
    Oberon Onmura: Why is the Gor slavery cult OK and Rose’s wonderful art – not?
    SaveMe OHare: Lets all boycot SL7B
    Aruba DeCuir: or leave SL?
    SaveMe OHare: remove your stuff if you participate
    Aruba DeCuir: no?
    SaveMe OHare: or leave SL
    SaveMe OHare: also an option
    Aruba DeCuir: but do we?
    Oberon Onmura: I think it would be better to try to get LL to put forward a rational policy for adults – not for th possibioity that some teen might sneak in.
    Ichiko Miles: Rose’s illustrations could be in a storybook for small children — are they afraid that some perv will get a thrill?
    SaveMe OHare: we or you? everyone decides for herself
    Aruba DeCuir: …. LL do some surveys – remember to mention this hypocrisy next time you do one…
    Peoney Feld: this piece is not sexual at all
    Oberon Onmura: I’m IMing all the artist members of LEA to address this issue directly.
    Peoney Feld: great
    Peoney Feld: I think Rose sent out one of her noteices through this group
    Aruba DeCuir: sorry LEA?
    SaveMe OHare: yes she did
    Oberon Onmura: Linden ENdowment for the Arts
    Oberon Onmura: an artist advisory group
    Aruba DeCuir: hmmm
    SaveMe OHare: she also IM with the LINDEN this afternoon
    Aruba DeCuir: new to me
    Peoney Feld: what happened, SMO?
    Aruba DeCuir: consider us others too
    SaveMe OHare: Rose Borchovski: last word is spoken, or I dress susas or they are not welcome, according to Courtney they are offensive
    Oberon Onmura: http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/06/16/linden-endowment-for-the-arts-update
    Peoney Feld: offensive or not attractive…two diff things…and art need not be pretty
    Oberon Onmura: the figures have no gender.
    Peoney Feld: right
    Oberon Onmura: and of course, they are avatar pictures, not even human images
    Peoney Feld: but they are not offensive..they may not be pretty (intentionaly
    Peoney Feld: right
    Oberon Onmura: so where’s the problem?
    SaveMe OHare: and LINDEN made us all that way
    Peoney Feld: lmao
    Peoney Feld: hahahaha
    Peoney Feld: yews
    Peoney Feld: yes
    SaveMe OHare: when you born here you look like that
    Peoney Feld: yeah, but to run around SL like that, you had to stick to adult sims….lol
    Oberon Onmura: in most ddddddddthings, the more restrictive always wins out over the less restrictive
    Oberon Onmura: oops
    Gwenette Writer: is the “offensive art” at the link above . . waaaaay above:)
    Pixels Sideways: If youi’re goig to condone gang rape RP sims, you’d best not shoot yoursel in the foot over art that depicts nudity on an Mature rated sim — I hope the RL art press and related trade rags get wind of this. :-)
    Peoney Feld: it is like the adult sims are SL”s dirty little secret
    Peoney Feld: lol
    Aruba DeCuir: LL do not know much about culture – but I guess they know about dollars……
    Cat Boccaccio: Hi all…. Maybe Rose could put censorship bars across the naughty bits, and still exhibit it?
    SaveMe OHare: Linden want her to dress her Susas
    Peoney Feld: that is rediculous
    Gwenette Writer: WJICH Linden??
    SaveMe OHare: Courtney
    Peoney Feld: it is no longer Rose’s art
    Shiny Shabazz: oh the stupidity they display makes my blood boil!
    Peoney Feld: it is no longer the piece of art
    Cat Boccaccio: well as long as the avatars are “covered”, and the black bars would make a statement
    Peoney Feld: people visiting would think it is part of the art, intentional, I think
    Aruba DeCuir: what if we all walk around naked in SL?
    Peoney Feld: may not get that it is a protest
    SaveMe OHare: other artists should start taking their works out of SL7B
    Peoney Feld: I really hope that they do
    Peoney Feld: can you encourage them, SaveMe?
    SaveMe OHare: I will try, but not everybody will listen to me
    Peoney Feld: well, hoperfully there will be enough who do
    Peoney Feld: what if we make and sign a petition to the lindens
    Peoney Feld: also
    Aruba DeCuir: fine….
    SaveMe OHare: when we join with as much as possible it will be heared
    SaveMe OHare: if they will react we will see
    Aruba DeCuir: its worth a try
    Peoney Feld: A petition, signed by as mmany artists as we can get would be good
    Peoney Feld: but SAveMe
    Pixels Sideways: i would also like to point out that the little Green Aliens on the Greenie’s sim – a PG rated sim no less! – ully clothed. ;-)
    Peoney Feld: I realy like the fact tahtLL did not even look at Rose’s work
    Peoney Feld: then threw her out
    Peoney Feld: lol@PIxels
    SaveMe OHare: we also should force them to allow the greenies back
    Gwenette Writer: naughty greenies (winks) LOVE ‘em:)
    Shiny Shabazz: i will sign it..and pass it to all my artist friends
    Peoney Feld: by forcing artists to only display their art (nutidy) on adult sims, gives the art a bad imrepession, like therte is something wrong with hit
    Gwenette Writer: ALLOW greenies back?? LL banned Greenies??
    Shiny Shabazz: we could have 1000 names in no time
    Aruba DeCuir: maybe we should not mix too many subjects?…..
    SaveMe OHare: you are right aruba
    Gwenette Writer: wel i always DID think there was something wrong with adults :)
    SaveMe OHare: lets first stick to this subject
    Peoney Feld: if that’s okay
    Peoney Feld: I would like to take a crack at the petition
    Aruba DeCuir: yeah we do have a life
    Peoney Feld: Aruba, it is only about censorship
    Peoney Feld: all of it
    Peoney Feld: I think it should be short and sweet
    Gwenette Writer: ther eis nothing implied about wrong or right with adukt grid area. it was done to allow folks to be able to choose what they see and expereince here in sl . . .
    Peoney Feld: yes, but there is explicit violence nad sex there
    Peoney Feld: I cant do it now, I have company for dinner
    Gwenette Writer: the issue at hand is : ARE there STANDARDS for what “adult content” actually IS in sl
    Peoney Feld: well, read the tos
    Shiny Shabazz: there is a fundamental confusion being displayed in trying to define the difference between pornography and art
    Gwenette Writer: it defines adlut content and says nudity that is presented as ART will be judged on a case by case. Apparently that happened here yes?
    Shiny Shabazz: nudity is not neccessarily anything to do with sex..the lindens need to sharpen their definitions
    Cat Boccaccio: it seems there is no room for grey areas though, that is a problem
    Aruba DeCuir: Peony – I know this is about censorship …..
    Peoney Feld: yes, but I have a suspicion that there was also a reaction to hte religeous references in the piece
    Peoney Feld: and, it is big
    Shiny Shabazz: if so Rose wasnt told
    Peoney Feld: so it really makes an impact
    Shiny Shabazz: its simply the nudity they are objecting to
    Peoney Feld: I really have to go and make dinner for company…I will take a shot at writing a petition
    Peoney Feld: bye for now
    Cat Boccaccio: see ya later , Peoney :)
    Peoney Feld: cya all tomorrow
    Peoney Feld: tc Cat, everyone
    Shiny Shabazz: byee
    SaveMe OHare: good peoney
    Aruba DeCuir: sorry I opened this discussion….
    Peoney Feld: not at all, Aruba, it’s critical to all of us, I think
    Pixels Sideways: Excellent discussion and necessary.
    Peoney Feld: I think that is what this chat is for…important issues
    Peoney Feld: art related issues
    SaveMe OHare: thanks all for the contribution
    Peoney Feld: ok gottar run
    Peoney Feld: yes, thanks everyone
    Peoney Feld: bye..
    Shiny Shabazz: i see this as a landmark case which should open up a well needed debate with the lindens

  3. Opensource Obscure reacted like this:

    ** tl;dr version **
    we all know what PG means, so claiming “censorship” now
    doesn’t make sense – we should instead have protested
    against choosing PG land for this event.
    I’m available to host Rose’s installation on my land while SL7B runs.

    ** long version **
    I found the reaction to the Rose Borchovski
    “censorship” inappropriate, and since
    I received a lot of information about this,
    I want to add my personal thoughts to it.

    Censorship happens daily all over the world,
    across all known media, and it’s a fucking huge problem.
    People are prevented to express themselves.
    This affects our artistic, cultural heritage and
    our knowledge. Often, people who try to escape
    censorhip are even put physically in danger, or they
    get killed, or violence is made against their families.

    Personally, censorship is an important topic to me.
    In my RL I have been actively committed to fight
    censorship since more than 10 years (but if you
    need a prove of this, sorry I can’t provide that
    because I don’t publicly associate my real identity
    to my SL identity. Too bad)

    This said, what I think about this specific SL situation is that
    when you know an event is going to be hosted over SL PG land,
    - provided you know what “PG” means in SL – you have two chances:

    1. you immediatly protest against the event being hosted on PG land
    because its heavy limitations won’t allow you to express

    2. you accept PG heavy limitations and comply with them

    I argue that accepting to work over a PG land,
    then claiming “censorship” after PG policy has simply been enforced
    is a misuse of the word itself.

    I also argue that to misuse words spoil them of their meaning,
    that is they lose their original meaning
    (worst example may be “freedom and democracy” in their Bushist meaning),
    so we do *not* want to misuse words that are important to us.

    ** proposal **
    I own a quarter of a private Mature region and I currently have 1000 free prims.
    I’d be glad to host the “censored” installation by Rose Borchovski there
    for the whole time of SL7B, provided that we also place there a mention
    of this debate, my opinion included.
    It’s a no-stores, no-zyngo region, art/play-themed, I wouldn’t do this
    for direct personal advantage.

    Opensource Obscure

  4. Actually, the use of the term ‘PG’ by Linden Labs is a total travesty. As another case in SL7B clearly demonstrated Linden’s ‘PG’ rating excludes something as simple and silly as a Barbie doll.

    Now you go tell me, or anyone, that Barbie dolls are mature by nature and not suited for our children to play with? Who buys that crap?

  5. If i read again that a child avi is porn. i will scream… is the body of your childs porn???. omg do you know the meaning of porn???. stop that please. if you see a mother with a child withough t-shirt in her embrace. you will think that is porn??.. the pornografic is the person who think that that is porn… when you go to the beach you feel exited cause see the childs withougt t-shirts???… is just a body.. i dont care if rose dont pretended show or not a child in her Susa, thats not the problem.. a CHILD IS NOT PORN.. the porn is in the perverts minds who see porn in that… Susa is NOT PORN AT ALLLL….

  6. Thanks for posting all this, SaveMe.

    The Linden team had a fearful, overly literal response to the art installation of Susa Bubble “The Kiss” when reviewing it against the rules for creations intended for the SL event.

    It is obvious to those who have visited the Rose’s installations that Susa does represent childlike memories and emotions, but the avatar is sexless and the content is not sexual. It is a cartoon child image with a bald, oversize head and a humorous expression, not a realistic “child avatar.”

    It is beside the point now to note that, in some of Rose’s work with the Susa image, the avatar is lightly covered in white “clothing.” I wonder how the Linden reviewers would have reacted to the digital images of the 13 Susas if they had been “dressed” in the white coverings used in other Susa installations.

    I suspect that the work would have been rejected anyway, on the grounds that the Susas look young and the title is “The Kiss.” The humor and intellect behind the Susa installations is lost on those whose focus is sheerly on liability. They don’t want “edgy” work no matter how good it is; they are not willing to take the risk. Inevitably, some cranky person would have complained about the work. At a big event, anything as unique and moving as the Susas will cause a stir. It is up to the artist to defend the integrity of their work, not Linden Lab.

    The incident is more proof that, for artists, it is a waste of time to try and second-guess what artwork will or will not be allowed in a public venue. “The Kiss” fits into my personal understanding of “PG” rated material. Furthermore, the event is for participants who are 18 or older. Unfortunately for Rose, it is too easy to point to the fine print of the event and cry “nudity.”

    I seem to recall a certain huge sculpted nude woman that was the toast of the town during the Black Swan event last year: everyone was raving about how realistic and profound that piece of art was. I wonder why that realistic scupty was praised while the Susa, a cartoon image, was rejected. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33789746@N03/3843981741/ ) In contrast, a nude female sculpture where the woman was taking a shower was rejected by the Lindens during a Burning Life event in 2007. (http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/08/29/censorship-at-burning-life-again/)

    Well, this happens in real life and it happens in SL. It would be nice if the Linden moderator revisited the issue of the Susa’s, but I suppose that is not likely to happen.

  7. Sometimes all you have left to do is show the other cheek…

    “They” (whoever that is) will have the last word… “they” will be right anyway… “they” will always put the fault on someone else and won’t take their part of responsibilities… Much too easy but I guess “they” have much better and more important things to do than having to deal with “minor” things…

    But that’s when where “WE” know we will always have the last word, even if it’s never said, because “WE” are the ones who create. Their reaction (for instance to Rose’s artwork) is only “their” point of view and should not be taken in consideration more than that unless somebody at Linden Labs is an Art expert, but I’m seriously doubting there is such a person there…

    Art is very personal anyway and I’m just sad that people who have more powers than others are using that power in a stupid way but hey, that’s part of humanity, right? The only “solution” I can see is to keep a low profile, do your own thing for your own pleasure and not other’s pleasure.

    Not sure what I just meant but… there.

  8. Just by making our art we have the tool to finally be able to educate censors, remove bosses and open up narrowminded rulers and turn them into fine people too.

  9. The banned works of art are not so wellknown of course, Linden Labs can simply get away with their absence and still look good for most of us.

    Therefore I dare anyone who has the skill, to reproduce a classic, something that can be regarded a symbol for western civilization, something out-of-copyright of course, but especially something we would all consider ‘sacred’.

    Maybe something like this:
    http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/VenusMilo.jpg

    Then AR it.
    And see if they want to be the ‘Digital Taliban’. Or get sensible.

  10. I mean we should confront Linden Labs with the consequences of their own policies. Show them what they might look like in the eyes of the world as long as they choose to hide behind the rules they created themselves.

  11. I know its months lated, thought i’d mention my run in with the Linden Nazis during the event. I was on of the DJ’s. We were all vlounteers, interested in reaching a larger audience. We wer all abused, put down told to shut up, stay out of groups chat, etc. I for one will never participate in another Linden event. I only did my set because the non linfen orginizer is an old friend. And I got not a shred of thanks from any Linden. Not that I expected any. Meh!

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